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	<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/</link>
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		<title>By: Derek Field</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-42</link>
		<author>Derek Field</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-42</guid>
					<description>Jeff, maybe I misread what you were saying but I think you can leave your applications running when you use Remote Desktop.  I check my home computer from work off and on all day using Remote Desktop and I never close any programs.  I can disconnect and connect again countless times and I leave media player, outlook, and msn messenger running on my remote pc constantly.

I also think that the remote audio feature optional with 'Remote Desktop' is great because it allows me to listen to my licensed computer specific .wma files since they're being played on my machine.  With VNC, if you select to play an audio file, does it just play on your speakers at home?  I know that napster allows you to download your songs onto 3 computers anyway, but using remote desktop works as well.  Video's don't stream in quite quick enough for a smooth picture so I normally copy&#38;paste or use my ftp to get any large files I want.

I've also fooled around with various VNC programs and I like the web java applet features they have.  That's an excellent idea if you can't install the client software on whoever's pc you're using.  A bad thing about Remote Desktop is that it's only offered in the professional edition of Windows XP.  Another thing that's nice about VNC is that it's easy to change the listening port for each computer behind the router so you can check out multiple computers at work or something using the one IP address like xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:????.  With Remote Desktop you have to actually change the listening port in the registry from the default 3389 to whatever.

Can you change the remote screen saver with UltraVNC?  You can't with Remote Desktop.  VNC does a much better job when you're using a dual monitor display setup because you can just push on the border to move farther right or left.  Remote Desktop must have been designed limited to a single monitor because I'm often having trouble finding windows that open on the other monitor.  I'm still experimenting with both but I love having my home and office outlooks on my two monitors in front of me at the same time.

Woah, my comment is getting long!  Anyway, computers are sweet!  Thanks for your blog article.  I always enjoy reading and learning your opinions and ideas on computer things.  You have tons of knowledge buddy!  Correct me if I was wrong about anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, maybe I misread what you were saying but I think you can leave your applications running when you use Remote Desktop.  I check my home computer from work off and on all day using Remote Desktop and I never close any programs.  I can disconnect and connect again countless times and I leave media player, outlook, and msn messenger running on my remote pc constantly.</p>
<p>I also think that the remote audio feature optional with &#8216;Remote Desktop&#8217; is great because it allows me to listen to my licensed computer specific .wma files since they&#8217;re being played on my machine.  With VNC, if you select to play an audio file, does it just play on your speakers at home?  I know that napster allows you to download your songs onto 3 computers anyway, but using remote desktop works as well.  Video&#8217;s don&#8217;t stream in quite quick enough for a smooth picture so I normally copy&amp;paste or use my ftp to get any large files I want.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also fooled around with various VNC programs and I like the web java applet features they have.  That&#8217;s an excellent idea if you can&#8217;t install the client software on whoever&#8217;s pc you&#8217;re using.  A bad thing about Remote Desktop is that it&#8217;s only offered in the professional edition of Windows XP.  Another thing that&#8217;s nice about VNC is that it&#8217;s easy to change the listening port for each computer behind the router so you can check out multiple computers at work or something using the one IP address like xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:????.  With Remote Desktop you have to actually change the listening port in the registry from the default 3389 to whatever.</p>
<p>Can you change the remote screen saver with UltraVNC?  You can&#8217;t with Remote Desktop.  VNC does a much better job when you&#8217;re using a dual monitor display setup because you can just push on the border to move farther right or left.  Remote Desktop must have been designed limited to a single monitor because I&#8217;m often having trouble finding windows that open on the other monitor.  I&#8217;m still experimenting with both but I love having my home and office outlooks on my two monitors in front of me at the same time.</p>
<p>Woah, my comment is getting long!  Anyway, computers are sweet!  Thanks for your blog article.  I always enjoy reading and learning your opinions and ideas on computer things.  You have tons of knowledge buddy!  Correct me if I was wrong about anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-43</link>
		<author>Jeffrey Larson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-43</guid>
					<description>Thanks for your comment Derek.

In regards to your "leaving application open" while using Remote Desktop, I should clarify what I meant.  You are right, if you log in remotely, run some programs, disconnect, and reconnect remotely again later, those program (from your remote session) will still be running.  However, if you log into your computer using the main console (as in, not remotely) and run programs, if you'd like to check on the status of those program running on the console's session, it is not possible.

I hear what you're saying about the wma licenses.  Digital Right Management is a problem, not because there aren't solution out there that work, but because the solutions are not effective.  Would you go the local music store and buy a CD if you knew you could only play it on 3 different CD players?  Home stereo, car stereo, portable CD player, that's 3, so what If I get a new stereo?  This could be a posting on its own so I'll move on.

You make a good point on configuration of listening ports.  An add-on for UltraVNC which I mentioned was &lt;a href="http://doc.uvnc.com/addons/repeater.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Repeater&lt;/a&gt;.  It allows you to access multiple computer with VNC Servers in your LAN remotely, and you only need to forward 1 port.

Dual monitor support is often overlooked unfortunately.  I use my home computer as a media center attached to my TV in the living room and the display is actually consider a secondary monitor.  When I log into my computer remotely using UltraVNC, I can choose to view the whole display (both monitors) or just my primary computer console.  If the computer you are using to connect from remotely has a high enough resolution, or in fact has a dual monitor set up, you can have both remote monitors showing at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Derek.</p>
<p>In regards to your &#8220;leaving application open&#8221; while using Remote Desktop, I should clarify what I meant.  You are right, if you log in remotely, run some programs, disconnect, and reconnect remotely again later, those program (from your remote session) will still be running.  However, if you log into your computer using the main console (as in, not remotely) and run programs, if you&#8217;d like to check on the status of those program running on the console&#8217;s session, it is not possible.</p>
<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying about the wma licenses.  Digital Right Management is a problem, not because there aren&#8217;t solution out there that work, but because the solutions are not effective.  Would you go the local music store and buy a CD if you knew you could only play it on 3 different CD players?  Home stereo, car stereo, portable CD player, that&#8217;s 3, so what If I get a new stereo?  This could be a posting on its own so I&#8217;ll move on.</p>
<p>You make a good point on configuration of listening ports.  An add-on for UltraVNC which I mentioned was <a href="http://doc.uvnc.com/addons/repeater.html" rel="nofollow">Repeater</a>.  It allows you to access multiple computer with VNC Servers in your LAN remotely, and you only need to forward 1 port.</p>
<p>Dual monitor support is often overlooked unfortunately.  I use my home computer as a media center attached to my TV in the living room and the display is actually consider a secondary monitor.  When I log into my computer remotely using UltraVNC, I can choose to view the whole display (both monitors) or just my primary computer console.  If the computer you are using to connect from remotely has a high enough resolution, or in fact has a dual monitor set up, you can have both remote monitors showing at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-75</link>
		<author>Chris</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-75</guid>
					<description>Hey I am brand new to VNC and have tried playing a bit but cant seem to get it. It would be awesome if you had free time to write a tutorial or send me an email laying out the basics to setting it up. I have downloaded ULTRAVNC. I can access my computer  through http on my LAN but can not access it outside. Any help please!
chrisaragon@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I am brand new to VNC and have tried playing a bit but cant seem to get it. It would be awesome if you had free time to write a tutorial or send me an email laying out the basics to setting it up. I have downloaded ULTRAVNC. I can access my computer  through http on my LAN but can not access it outside. Any help please!<br />
<a href="mailto:chrisaragon@hotmail.com">chrisaragon@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daz</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-99</link>
		<author>Daz</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-99</guid>
					<description>Hi,

I can't get UltraVNC to see my other monitor. I use my laptop to connect to my PC but only see the main screen (right hand). I cant get to the left one. I have ried pushing, clicking, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get UltraVNC to see my other monitor. I use my laptop to connect to my PC but only see the main screen (right hand). I cant get to the left one. I have ried pushing, clicking, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Daz</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-100</link>
		<author>Daz</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-100</guid>
					<description>Had a play and got it working!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a play and got it working!</p>
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		<title>By: David Rimovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-101</link>
		<author>David Rimovsky</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-101</guid>
					<description>What did you do to get dual monitors to work with UltraVNC?  I have had no luck.  I am using a single monitor and remoting to a dual monitor system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did you do to get dual monitors to work with UltraVNC?  I have had no luck.  I am using a single monitor and remoting to a dual monitor system.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rimovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-102</link>
		<author>David Rimovsky</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-102</guid>
					<description>Nevermind.  Figured it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind.  Figured it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-104</link>
		<author>Boris</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-104</guid>
					<description>Hey! How did you do it??? It doesn´t work for me! I have no idea what else to try. realVNC just shows both next to each other which was the best solution. ultravnc is still better but it´s kind of annoying...
Boris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! How did you do it??? It doesn´t work for me! I have no idea what else to try. realVNC just shows both next to each other which was the best solution. ultravnc is still better but it´s kind of annoying&#8230;<br />
Boris</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-107</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-107</guid>
					<description>Hey, guys. Check iShadow Desktop (beta dowloads at ishadow.com). Supports &lt;b&gt;RDP, VNC and Citrix ICA&lt;/b&gt;. Can run 50+ sessions from one console. Designed to support multiple monitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, guys. Check iShadow Desktop (beta dowloads at ishadow.com). Supports <b>RDP, VNC and Citrix ICA</b>. Can run 50+ sessions from one console. Designed to support multiple monitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Winmail</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-112</link>
		<author>Winmail</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-112</guid>
					<description>Have you guys checked out http://www.vncscan.com yet?  It's right up the alley because it centers on UltraVNC.  It makes it super easy to push install UltraVNC and it even connects to RDP (terminal services).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you guys checked out <a href="http://www.vncscan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vncscan.com</a> yet?  It&#8217;s right up the alley because it centers on UltraVNC.  It makes it super easy to push install UltraVNC and it even connects to RDP (terminal services).</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-369</link>
		<author>cj</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-369</guid>
					<description>RDP only logs out a session if you connect with different credentials.  If you use the same credentials as the already running session, you will connect to it, not create a new session.  So if you same credentials as the console session, you can connect and disconnect as much as you want.  All it does is lock the console.  If they log back in, it boots the RDP connection and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDP only logs out a session if you connect with different credentials.  If you use the same credentials as the already running session, you will connect to it, not create a new session.  So if you same credentials as the console session, you can connect and disconnect as much as you want.  All it does is lock the console.  If they log back in, it boots the RDP connection and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-909</link>
		<author>Jose</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-909</guid>
					<description>You can always connect to your "console" session by launching remote desktop connection with the following command-line:

mstsc /console</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always connect to your &#8220;console&#8221; session by launching remote desktop connection with the following command-line:</p>
<p>mstsc /console</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-910</link>
		<author>Derek</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-910</guid>
					<description>OK - two people in a row posted that they wanted to know how to set ultravnc up so they could view dual monitors and then the very next post was that they had figured it out. Nice for them, not for us. :-) Could someone please enlighten those of us who haven't figured it out yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK - two people in a row posted that they wanted to know how to set ultravnc up so they could view dual monitors and then the very next post was that they had figured it out. Nice for them, not for us. :-) Could someone please enlighten those of us who haven&#8217;t figured it out yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-911</link>
		<author>Derek</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-911</guid>
					<description>how did it work for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how did it work for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson Sproul</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-953</link>
		<author>Nelson Sproul</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-953</guid>
					<description>It is in fact possible to use RDP to connect to a console session, though this isn't the default behavior.  To do so, edit your rdp file directly (e.g., using wordpad), and add the following line:

connect to console:i:1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is in fact possible to use RDP to connect to a console session, though this isn&#8217;t the default behavior.  To do so, edit your rdp file directly (e.g., using wordpad), and add the following line:</p>
<p>connect to console:i:1</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-21387</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-21387</guid>
					<description>At the top of the UltraVNC window is a button called 'Select Full Desktop'. This can be used to toggle between monitors on the server system. The first time you click it it does nothing - but click again and it toggles between displays. Sadly it doesn't appear that you can show the different displays in 2 viewer windows - they both toggle at the same time.

Hope this helps someone else.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the top of the UltraVNC window is a button called &#8216;Select Full Desktop&#8217;. This can be used to toggle between monitors on the server system. The first time you click it it does nothing - but click again and it toggles between displays. Sadly it doesn&#8217;t appear that you can show the different displays in 2 viewer windows - they both toggle at the same time.</p>
<p>Hope this helps someone else.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-61600</link>
		<author>Jonathan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jeffothy.com/weblog/vnc-over-rdp/#comment-61600</guid>
					<description>Thanks!  Your comment was very helpful and solved my problem.  I got here via google search for "vnc dual desktop".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Your comment was very helpful and solved my problem.  I got here via google search for &#8220;vnc dual desktop&#8221;.</p>
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